(02-20-2023 04:57 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:51 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:42 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:11 PM)Davidofmtp Wrote:  Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

Worst argument of all, over and over again.

Just look at how many horrendous mistakes the experts make in the NBA draft. Just because you never made a movie doesn't mean you can't spot a bad one...that just so happened to be made by professional, expert, experienced movie makers. Everyone, everyone, has their own biases, intellectual limitations and are capable of making mistakes and bad decisions that they just can't see.

Also, I think Kao deserves a few more minutes, especially at the defensive end during the slow motion end of games.

I'll steal your line because it perfectly addresses your post. "Worst argument of all, over and over again." Some things are subjective like rating a movie, but others are objective, like analyzing stats. I rest my case.

I do agree that Kao could stand to get more minutes when the game is relaxed and we're not in a do or die situation. I personally wouldn't want him in there during the crunch, and it seems that Penny agrees. Not only has he been around top talent his entire career, he also spends every single working day with these guys and knows much more about them individually than you or I could ever hope to.

You can say that about every coach, including Tubby. There are many things that go into every team and their coach. They all lose in the end, each season, save one. To really believe that an onlooker has nothing valid to say is just plain wrong. Many teams lose games they should win and some win games they should lose. We all say that that outcome, in the end, rests firmly on the coach's shoulders. That means that coaches can, and I say, definitely do, make mistakes all the time. Even if you love them.

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion when it comes to subjective factors. Just like rating a movie, everyone has their own tastes and I won't begrudge someone simply for a difference in taste. I tend to be open-minded like that, and for the record, never once did I state that a fan can't have a valid opinion. It's when the opinion flies against the face of logic and objective metrics, that I will take exception and point out the problems.

Aside from the fanboys, what most people have been discussing - since this is a Kao thread we'll stick to that - are objective measures of player performance. Objectively, Kao is not the best big on the team, and the cold-hard numbers prove this out. Sure, he blocks shots, but oftentimes to his own detriment. It's almost like he's hardwired to swat at everything when he could or should be doing something else.

Some things are subjective. Perhaps someone appreciates his athleticism just as one could appreciate the mise-en-scène of a film. Sure, that's fine, but to say that he's getting robbed of minutes and is the better player on the team is absurd when you get to the brass tacks. Not only is it easy to disprove by looking at the numbers, watching the games should be enough to see that he's not there yet. Does he have potential? Sure, but as a senior, it's difficult to think there is a significant amount of growth to be had unless the staff at Arlington absolutely can't do their jobs.

(02-20-2023 05:34 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:57 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:51 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:42 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:11 PM)Davidofmtp Wrote:  Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

Worst argument of all, over and over again.

Just look at how many horrendous mistakes the experts make in the NBA draft. Just because you never made a movie doesn't mean you can't spot a bad one...that just so happened to be made by professional, expert, experienced movie makers. Everyone, everyone, has their own biases, intellectual limitations and are capable of making mistakes and bad decisions that they just can't see.

Also, I think Kao deserves a few more minutes, especially at the defensive end during the slow motion end of games.

I'll steal your line because it perfectly addresses your post. "Worst argument of all, over and over again." Some things are subjective like rating a movie, but others are objective, like analyzing stats. I rest my case.

I do agree that Kao could stand to get more minutes when the game is relaxed and we're not in a do or die situation. I personally wouldn't want him in there during the crunch, and it seems that Penny agrees. Not only has he been around top talent his entire career, he also spends every single working day with these guys and knows much more about them individually than you or I could ever hope to.

You can say that about every coach, including Tubby. There are many things that go into every team and their coach. They all lose in the end, each season, save one. To really believe that an onlooker has nothing valid to say is just plain wrong. Many teams lose games they should win and some win games they should lose. We all say that that outcome, in the end, rests firmly on the coach's shoulders. That means that coaches can, and I say, definitely do, make mistakes all the time. Even if you love them.

I believe everyone is entitled to an opinion when it comes to subjective factors. Just like rating a movie, everyone has their own tastes and I won't begrudge someone simply for a difference in taste. I tend to be open-minded like that, and for the record, never once did I state that a fan can't have a valid opinion. It's when the opinion flies against the face of logic and objective metrics, that I will take exception and point out the problems.

Aside from the fanboys, what most people have been discussing - since this is a Kao thread we'll stick to that - are objective measures of player performance. Objectively, Kao is not the best big on the team, and the cold-hard numbers prove this out. Sure, he blocks shots, but oftentimes to his own detriment. It's almost like he's hardwired to swat at everything when he could or should be doing something else.

Some things are subjective. Perhaps someone appreciates his athleticism just as one could appreciate the mise-en-scène of a film. Sure, that's fine, but to say that he's getting robbed of minutes and is the better player on the team is absurd when you get to the brass tacks. Not only is it easy to disprove by looking at the numbers, watching the games should be enough to see that he's not there yet. Does he have potential? Sure, but as a senior, it's difficult to think there is a significant amount of growth to be had unless the staff at Arlington absolutely can't do their jobs.

Oh, if anything, there's growth
Kao was 5'4" in 7th grade
5'9" in 9th grade
6'6" his first year of college
6'9" at UTA
6'10" or more now
Didn't play basketball until high school
I think there may still be some improvement to be made.

(02-20-2023 06:06 PM)cmt Wrote:  Oh, if anything, there's growth
Kao was 5'4" in 7th grade
5'9" in 9th grade
6'6" his first year of college
6'9" at UTA
6'10" or more now
Didn't play basketball until high school
I think there may still be some improvement to be made.

Time will tell. I expect he'll be back for another season. Keep in mind I never said no growth, but I'm skeptical of significant growth. If he keeps working with Dorsey through the summer and puts on another 30 lbs, my opinion may change. As it stands, he's currently performing worse than a guy who's playing out of position, not nearly as tall, and didn't even get to play much at all last year due to injury. Not a good look.

(02-20-2023 10:44 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

That's why they outscored us when Kao was in the game and we outscored them when he was benched. Makes perfect sense.

So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

^^THIS^^-----you are 100% correct about the poster that you posted about facts actually don't matter---stats/facts---and his friend in the far north -----------------------ALO has a better FG% than Davis ------that's what the facts/stats state even after ALO 0-7-and ALO has been leading him handily most of the season--even had a higher 3pt % going into the Houston game----but according to those two----those stats don't matter .....its always but but but if if if when it comes to those stats/facts .

ALO has to be one of the most maligned TIGERS ever

(02-20-2023 11:11 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:44 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

That's why they outscored us when Kao was in the game and we outscored them when he was benched. Makes perfect sense.

So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

^^THIS^^-----you are 100% correct about the poster that you posted about facts actually don't matter---stats/facts---and his friend in the far north -----------------------ALO has a better FG% than Davis ------that's what the facts/stats state even after ALO 0-7-and ALO has been leading him handily most of the season--even had a higher 3pt % going into the Houston game----but according to those two----those stats don't matter .....its always but but but if if if when it comes to those stats/facts .

ALO has to be one of the most maligned TIGERS ever

What are you talking about? First of all, I defend Lomax all of the time, but I question your ability to read and process information. This thread and all of these comments are about Kao. Try and keep up weirdo.

We did well on defense when Kao was in there the last 2 minutes of the second half. And he was not in there when Houston pushed the lead to 30-16. It’s funny how the same people that defend certain players and bash posters that don’t continue to bash Kao. It’s comical and hypocritical

Kao is very raw and needs more playing time to improve. I was not aware he is eligible to return next season and, in some respects, hope he does.

(02-19-2023 08:15 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  He’s a great help defender that doesn’t defend well one one one. Gets lost boxing out and is a liability on the boards. His offensive skill set is limited to catching lobs. Not great at setting high ball screens.

Pretty much this. KO is going to struggle against any bigs who can shoot and force him to leave lane to guard. If he's not able to lurk under the basket and block shots he really isn't that efficient. He needs a traditional big man who is more back to the basket to guard OR we have to play a zone where he can camp out under the basket. He def tries hard when he's out there though.

(02-21-2023 09:50 AM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 08:15 PM)Seabee TIger Fan Wrote:  He’s a great help defender that doesn’t defend well one one one. Gets lost boxing out and is a liability on the boards. His offensive skill set is limited to catching lobs. Not great at setting high ball screens.

Pretty much this. KO is going to struggle against any bigs who can shoot and force him to leave lane to guard. If he's not able to lurk under the basket and block shots he really isn't that efficient. He needs a traditional big man who is more back to the basket to guard OR we have to play a zone where he can camp out under the basket. He def tries hard when he's out there though.

His quickness and hustle are his best attributes.

(02-21-2023 09:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  We did well on defense when Kao was in there the last 2 minutes of the second half. And he was not in there when Houston pushed the lead to 30-16. It’s funny how the same people that defend certain players and bash posters that don’t continue to bash Kao. It’s comical and hypocritical

Exactly.....wonderful point.....Time to let the hypocrites enjoy their own stench ....There are posters whom infiltrate post with personal attacks;ridicule;chastisement and constantly calling persons derogatory names, however are allowed to continue to do so without recourse....

This is "allowed" by "mods" that obviously are very aware of this erroneous behavior....Yet, posts are being "moved" when said "mods" are in disagreement or "personal" displeasure with a post, obviously being biased....

This is absurd, however, expected....I will allow these RAINBOW fanboys to have their KIX... FOH ****OTS

(02-21-2023 07:46 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-21-2023 09:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  We did well on defense when Kao was in there the last 2 minutes of the second half. And he was not in there when Houston pushed the lead to 30-16. It’s funny how the same people that defend certain players and bash posters that don’t continue to bash Kao. It’s comical and hypocritical

Exactly.....wonderful point.....Time to let the hypocrites enjoy their own stench ....There are posters whom infiltrate post with personal attacks;ridicule;chastisement and constantly calling persons derogatory names, however are allowed to continue to do so without recourse....

This is "allowed" by "mods" that obviously are very aware of this erroneous behavior....Yet, posts are being "moved" when said "mods" are in disagreement or "personal" displeasure with a post, obviously being biased....

This is absurd, however, expected....I will allow these RAINBOW fanboys to have their KIX... FOH ****OTS

(02-21-2023 07:46 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-21-2023 09:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  We did well on defense when Kao was in there the last 2 minutes of the second half. And he was not in there when Houston pushed the lead to 30-16. It’s funny how the same people that defend certain players and bash posters that don’t continue to bash Kao. It’s comical and hypocritical

Exactly.....wonderful point.....Time to let the hypocrites enjoy their own stench ....There are posters whom infiltrate post with personal attacks;ridicule;chastisement and constantly calling persons derogatory names, however are allowed to continue to do so without recourse....

This is "allowed" by "mods" that obviously are very aware of this erroneous behavior....Yet, posts are being "moved" when said "mods" are in disagreement or "personal" displeasure with a post, obviously being biased....

This is absurd, however, expected....I will allow these RAINBOW fanboys to have their KIX... FOH ****OTS

Quote:****OTS

You've outsmarted the mods. Nobody will be able to figure out what your giant, overdeveloped brain is hiding with this. Way to go, you are awesome. I might throw out my back from laughing so hard.

Since the mods aren't bright enough to figure it out, I'm going to report this and give them a guess or two...enjoy whatever little time you have left here.

(02-21-2023 07:46 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-21-2023 09:11 AM)Eagleonpar Wrote:  We did well on defense when Kao was in there the last 2 minutes of the second half. And he was not in there when Houston pushed the lead to 30-16. It’s funny how the same people that defend certain players and bash posters that don’t continue to bash Kao. It’s comical and hypocritical

Exactly.....wonderful point.....Time to let the hypocrites enjoy their own stench ....There are posters whom infiltrate post with personal attacks;ridicule;chastisement and constantly calling persons derogatory names, however are allowed to continue to do so without recourse....

This is "allowed" by "mods" that obviously are very aware of this erroneous behavior....Yet, posts are being "moved" when said "mods" are in disagreement or "personal" displeasure with a post, obviously being biased....

This is absurd, however, expected....I will allow these RAINBOW fanboys to have their KIX... FOH ****OTS

Boy, bye.