(02-20-2023 09:49 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 07:23 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 07:37 PM)big12tigers Wrote:  Not sure why when we need bigs, Kao does not get hardly any time. I have zero coaching experience other than at the youth level, but to me playing Deandre as a undersized center causes him to get into foul trouble.

I have seen Kao play in person and from what I can tell when he is on the floor, he causes some chaos on defense, plays hard and brings some energy. Granted he is not a super star, but I sure believe he could help keep the scoring down in the paint. Wish I could find out how many layups and 5 foot jumpers Houston got in their half court offense today.

Today they credited him with one block, but pretty sure he had his hand on a second one and know at least one time he was able to knock a rebound out of a Houston players hands into ours.

Thoughts ?

The very first possession of the game the Houston center went right through Kao's chest and shot a layup over him...

You guys are in love with his athleticism and perceive him as high potential because of his athleticism. The fact is that he has a very low level of skill both offensively and defensively. He tries to block everything and while that results in a decent amount of blocked shots it also means he is constantly leaving his man under the goal and getting himself out of position which leads to a ton of offensive rebounds and easy layups. Offensively he is completely useless outside of a lob or two a game.

You do realize that was Chandler ..... Kao didn't start.

Definitely my mistake on that...

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 07:23 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 07:37 PM)big12tigers Wrote:  Not sure why when we need bigs, Kao does not get hardly any time. I have zero coaching experience other than at the youth level, but to me playing Deandre as a undersized center causes him to get into foul trouble.

I have seen Kao play in person and from what I can tell when he is on the floor, he causes some chaos on defense, plays hard and brings some energy. Granted he is not a super star, but I sure believe he could help keep the scoring down in the paint. Wish I could find out how many layups and 5 foot jumpers Houston got in their half court offense today.

Today they credited him with one block, but pretty sure he had his hand on a second one and know at least one time he was able to knock a rebound out of a Houston players hands into ours.

Thoughts ?

The very first possession of the game the Houston center went right through Kao's chest and shot a layup over him...

You guys are in love with his athleticism and perceive him as high potential because of his athleticism. The fact is that he has a very low level of skill both offensively and defensively. He tries to block everything and while that results in a decent amount of blocked shots it also means he is constantly leaving his man under the goal and getting himself out of position which leads to a ton of offensive rebounds and easy layups. Offensively he is completely useless outside of a lob or two a game.

Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

No, he really is not... For every one block he gets he gets himself out of position 5 or 6 times resulting in offensive rebounds or other easy shots.

Again, you are falling in love with athleticism and the occasional blocked shot and overlooking consistently pulling himself out of defensive position. He does not play smart basketball and he does no rebound.

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

That's why they outscored us when Kao was in the game and we outscored them when he was benched. Makes perfect sense.

(02-20-2023 10:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

That's why they outscored us when Kao was in the game and we outscored them when he was benched. Makes perfect sense.

So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

(02-20-2023 10:44 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

I'll watch the game again later and see because I don't trust your judgement - wasn't sitting there taking notes when watching it live. For you to say facts don't matter to me shows how little you pay attention. You want facts? Explain these facts then. I took the liberty of using bold face where C. Lawson is superior to Kao, per the facts. Neither are great players, but C. Lawson is objectively the better basketball player.

Kao
------------
FT% 51.9
REB 1.8
AST 0.2
BLK 1.7
STL 0.0
PTS 2.8

D-PRPG 1.3

C. Lawson
------------
FT% 57.1
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
BLK 0.6
STL 0.8
PTS 4.9

D-PRPG 2.3

Edit: Throwing in D-PRPG for both players too, to counter the "defense" arguments and who allows more points.

Quote:D-PRPG: measures how many points a player prevents compared to an average replacement player.

(02-20-2023 10:52 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:44 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

I'll watch the game again later and see because I don't trust your judgement - wasn't sitting there taking notes when watching it live. For you to say facts don't matter to me shows how little you pay attention. You want facts? Explain these facts then. Neither are great players, but C. Lawson is objectively the better basketball player.

Kao
------------
FT% 51.9
REB 1.8
AST 0.2
BLK 1.7
STL 0.0
PTS 2.8

C. Lawson
------------
FT% 57.1
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
BLK 0.6
STL 0.8
PTS 4.9

"Objectively" Chandler would get picked last on a high school girls basketball team. He was 12th player off the bench last year for a reason.

(02-20-2023 10:57 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  "Objectively" Chandler would get picked last on a high school girls basketball team. He was 12th player off the bench last year for a reason.

That's because to a fool like you, facts don't matter. Also, he was last off the bench because he was injured, Einstein. Do you even follow the team? Go back and look at my edited version of the post. I added more facts to show how wrong you are.

(02-20-2023 11:03 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:57 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  "Objectively" Chandler would get picked last on a high school girls basketball team. He was 12th player off the bench last year for a reason.

That's because to a fool like you, facts don't matter. Go back and look at my edited version of the post. I added more facts to show how wrong you are.

Well this all started because you blatantly lied and didn't think anyone would call you on it. Kao has the 2nd best defensive rating on the team behind Lorax per Torvik. In conference games only, he leads the team. Also I'm sure Chandler being the lowest metric rated player on the team had nothing to do with him not playing either.

(02-20-2023 11:05 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 11:03 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:57 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  "Objectively" Chandler would get picked last on a high school girls basketball team. He was 12th player off the bench last year for a reason.

That's because to a fool like you, facts don't matter. Go back and look at my edited version of the post. I added more facts to show how wrong you are.

Well this all started because you blatantly lied and didn't think anyone would call you on it. Kao has the 2nd best defensive rating on the team behind Lorax per Torvik.

How am I lying? Point out the lie. I was specifically showing how effective they are on defense in preventing points and that's the best metric to reflect that. Exactly like I stated, the facts are meaningless to you.

(02-20-2023 10:52 AM)msu35 Wrote:  Edit: Throwing in D-PRPG for both players too, to counter the "defense" arguments and who allows more points.

Quote:D-PRPG: measures how many points a player prevents compared to an average replacement player.

(02-20-2023 10:26 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 09:57 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  Name a player that the player from Houston doesn't drive through the chest and score through? They are the number one team in the country for that fact.... He's even better that Oscar what his name from Kentucky....Point is, Kao is one of the best defensive options we have that keep players from running layup drills against us, just as Houston did last night.... Chandler Lawson sure doesn't

That's why they outscored us when Kao was in the game and we outscored them when he was benched. Makes perfect sense.

No comment. I think I might just put you on the ignore train. Some people are just too far gone.

(02-20-2023 11:16 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No comment. I think I might just put you on the ignore train. Some people are just too far gone.

You have no comment because you are easily invalidated by the facts. Please put me on ignore if it makes you feel better about yourself and your inability to be objective.

(02-20-2023 11:19 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 11:16 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No comment. I think I might just put you on the ignore train. Some people are just too far gone.

You have no comment because you are easily invalidated by the facts. Please put me on ignore if it makes you feel better about yourself and your inability to be objective.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

(02-20-2023 10:57 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:52 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 10:44 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  So the fun part of this is that a replay exists of the game to prove that you are completely full of it.

The first time he checked in we actually outscored Houston.
The second time he checked in his assignment went 0-2. Houston only scored off of a 3pt (Mars man) and a breakaway steal (Deandre's man).

But facts have never actually mattered to you have they?

I'll watch the game again later and see because I don't trust your judgement - wasn't sitting there taking notes when watching it live. For you to say facts don't matter to me shows how little you pay attention. You want facts? Explain these facts then. Neither are great players, but C. Lawson is objectively the better basketball player.

Kao
------------
FT% 51.9
REB 1.8
AST 0.2
BLK 1.7
STL 0.0
PTS 2.8

C. Lawson
------------
FT% 57.1
REB 4.5
AST 0.8
BLK 0.6
STL 0.8
PTS 4.9

"Objectively" Chandler would get picked last on a high school girls basketball team. He was 12th player off the bench last year for a reason.

Objectively.

(02-20-2023 11:20 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 11:19 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 11:16 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  No comment. I think I might just put you on the ignore train. Some people are just too far gone.

You have no comment because you are easily invalidated by the facts. Please put me on ignore if it makes you feel better about yourself and your inability to be objective.

I'm sorry this is happening to you.

Grow up and take the L. You're only making yourself look dumb. I may have misspoken about the Houston game. I'll watch it again later today, but the facts show that you're completely wrong. You can't argue that no matter how big your crush is on Kao.

(02-19-2023 08:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Really no excuse for him not playing in the second half when Houston making layup after layup at the rim. He is getting the Minott treatment for sure.

Trying to get PT for Malcolm I guess. Malcolm is just too slow. Of course his injury has slowed him down. He was playing pretty good before that. Hopefully he will improve some by tourney time.

Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

(02-20-2023 04:11 PM)Davidofmtp Wrote:  Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

Worst argument of all, over and over again.

Just look at how many horrendous mistakes the experts make in the NBA draft. Just because you never made a movie doesn't mean you can't spot a bad one...that just so happened to be made by professional, expert, experienced movie makers. Everyone, everyone, has their own biases, intellectual limitations and are capable of making mistakes and bad decisions that they just can't see.

Also, I think Kao deserves a few more minutes, especially at the defensive end during the slow motion end of games.

(02-20-2023 11:41 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  

(02-19-2023 08:23 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Really no excuse for him not playing in the second half when Houston making layup after layup at the rim. He is getting the Minott treatment for sure.

Trying to get PT for Malcolm I guess. Malcolm is just too slow. Of course his injury has slowed him down. He was playing pretty good before that. Hopefully he will improve some by tourney time.

Yep, maybe but his stamina was kind of disappointing yesterday. 2-3 trips down the court and he was begging to come out. Guess he hasn't been on a bike much.

(02-20-2023 04:42 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:11 PM)Davidofmtp Wrote:  Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

Worst argument of all, over and over again.

Just look at how many horrendous mistakes the experts make in the NBA draft. Just because you never made a movie doesn't mean you can't spot a bad one...that just so happened to be made by professional, expert, experienced movie makers. Everyone, everyone, has their own biases, intellectual limitations and are capable of making mistakes and bad decisions that they just can't see.

Also, I think Kao deserves a few more minutes, especially at the defensive end during the slow motion end of games.

I'll steal your line because it perfectly addresses your post. "Worst argument of all, over and over again." Some things are subjective like rating a movie, but others are objective, like analyzing stats. I rest my case.

I do agree that Kao could stand to get more minutes when the game is relaxed and we're not in a do or die situation. I personally wouldn't want him in there during the crunch, and it seems that Penny agrees. Not only has he been around top talent his entire career, he also spends every single working day with these guys and knows much more about them individually than you or I could ever hope to.

(02-20-2023 04:51 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:42 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(02-20-2023 04:11 PM)Davidofmtp Wrote:  Some people think they can evaluate talent better than someone who has been around the most talented players ever for his entire career. They are the same people who think they should be NFL, NBA and MLB coaches and managers and would be the Masters champion if given the opportunity to play. Basically delusional narcissists.

Worst argument of all, over and over again.

Just look at how many horrendous mistakes the experts make in the NBA draft. Just because you never made a movie doesn't mean you can't spot a bad one...that just so happened to be made by professional, expert, experienced movie makers. Everyone, everyone, has their own biases, intellectual limitations and are capable of making mistakes and bad decisions that they just can't see.

Also, I think Kao deserves a few more minutes, especially at the defensive end during the slow motion end of games.

I'll steal your line because it perfectly addresses your post. "Worst argument of all, over and over again." Some things are subjective like rating a movie, but others are objective, like analyzing stats. I rest my case.

I do agree that Kao could stand to get more minutes when the game is relaxed and we're not in a do or die situation. I personally wouldn't want him in there during the crunch, and it seems that Penny agrees. Not only has he been around top talent his entire career, he also spends every single working day with these guys and knows much more about them individually than you or I could ever hope to.

You can say that about every coach, including Tubby. There are many things that go into every team and their coach. They all lose in the end, each season, save one. To really believe that an onlooker has nothing valid to say is just plain wrong. Many teams lose games they should win and some win games they should lose. We all say that that outcome, in the end, rests firmly on the coach's shoulders. That means that coaches can, and I say, definitely do, make mistakes all the time. Even if you love them.