(02-22-2023 10:21 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  Imagine it being found out that a white basketball player gave a gun to another player, who then used it to shoot and kill a black woman. How many games do you think that guy would get to play college basketball after that? How destroyed to you think that guy would get by the media? It would be front page news on every single outlet and youd never stop hearing about it by the liberal media.
But you hardly hear anything about it. Absolutely insane

Kind of like its on every show right now?

ok... I'll play. Here's a suppose... Suppose the victim had been a college athlete of any race or gender, and the shooter had been a college athlete..... who got his gun from another college athlete, what would have happened.

Did Miller have a permit for that handgun.

One of the top stories currently.

BUT WHAT ABOUT IF IT WAS A WHITE GUY HE WOULD LITERALLY BE CANCELLED OMG

Clown freaking city, some of you Mensa members.

Ok, as a resident of the state, I feel an obligation to try and shed a small sliver of light on what supposedly happened - according to various in-state sources - or at least what I am hearing....

Miller, Miles and Davis (Miles friend) - go out for the evening, Miller is driving. Miles and Davis want to go to a club, but Miller says go ahead, I don't want to wait in that line to eat. Miles and Davis get out of the car, leaving Miles gun in the back seat since it's illegal to bring a gun into a club or bar, under some loose clothing. Miller is supposedly unaware of the presence of the gun.

Just for the record, it is illegal for an 18 year-old to buy a gun, but it is not illegal for an 18 year-old to possess a gun. The AL state legislature passed a bill removing the requirement for gun owners to have a concealed carry permit if they wanted to carry their firearm with them, going into effect Jan 1st this year.

Miles and Davis club it up and try to pick up the eventual victim, even though she is with her boyfriend. They are outside, with the M & D guys trying to keep them from leaving and still asking for her number. Miles texted Miller to come pick them up, but he is unable to get to them for an hour or so (driving on the strip in T-town is a major pain and you will not be going very far for very long...). They see that the boyfriend has a gun in his possession in the car, and Miles then texted Miller again saying "I need my joint" (slang for his gun). But Miller is almost there and actually arrives on the scene minutes after Miles sent that text. Miller pulls up on the scene and over to the curb, Miles reaches in and finds his gun and gives it to Davis, who, in a tequila-induce state, starts firing into the other car, hitting the young lady who later dies. The driver returns fire, and (I think) Davis is hit. Miller's car took bullets to the windshield from the other car. Much of the action was captured on surveillance cameras in the area.

When the T-town DA was asked about charging Miller as an accomplice, they said that you have to have intent to commit a crime before you can charge someone. He has no evidence that Miller had any intent or knowledge of why Miles wanted his gun, so what can he be charged with? Innocent until proven guilty, right? Again, a statement from Miller's attorney said Miller wasn't aware of the presence of the gun and never handled it.

As for the University's response, they were unaware the gun was "delivered by Miller" until a hearing the day before the USC game where the investigating officer stated that Miller "gave Miles the gun". They had to scramble a meeting with the president, AD, coach, legal counsel, and a few other peeps and determined what to do, but it was decided that since he wasn't charged and was only considered as a witness that they wouldn't hold him out of the game. Right, wrong, whatever. And Oates came across as a totally uncaring ass at his first press conference about the whole thing, but he wasn't aware of the details out of the hearing that day and the reporter who asked him about it was, so he was blindsided by it and had to issue a clarification after the fact.

Like I said earlier, this is what I have heard bits and pieces of here so it may be old info, it may be incomplete, whatever. I'm not defending anyone's actions or inaction, but I agree it is a bad situation for all involved - a young life was taken away for no reason.

(02-25-2023 01:02 AM)former guest Wrote:  Ok, as a resident of the state, I feel an obligation to try and shed a small sliver of light on what supposedly happened - according to various in-state sources - or at least what I am hearing....

Miller, Miles and Davis (Miles friend) - go out for the evening, Miller is driving. Miles and Davis want to go to a club, but Miller says go ahead, I don't want to wait in that line to eat. Miles and Davis get out of the car, leaving Miles gun in the back seat since it's illegal to bring a gun into a club or bar, under some loose clothing. Miller is supposedly unaware of the presence of the gun.

Just for the record, it is illegal for an 18 year-old to buy a gun, but it is not illegal for an 18 year-old to possess a gun. The AL state legislature passed a bill removing the requirement for gun owners to have a concealed carry permit if they wanted to carry their firearm with them, going into effect Jan 1st this year.

Miles and Davis club it up and try to pick up the eventual victim, even though she is with her boyfriend. They are outside, with the M & D guys trying to keep them from leaving and still asking for her number. Miles texted Miller to come pick them up, but he is unable to get to them for an hour or so (driving on the strip in T-town is a major pain and you will not be going very far for very long...). They see that the boyfriend has a gun in his possession in the car, and Miles then texted Miller again saying "I need my joint" (slang for his gun). But Miller is almost there and actually arrives on the scene minutes after Miles sent that text. Miller pulls up on the scene and over to the curb, Miles reaches in and finds his gun and gives it to Davis, who, in a tequila-induce state, starts firing into the other car, hitting the young lady who later dies. The driver returns fire, and (I think) Davis is hit. Miller's car took bullets to the windshield from the other car. Much of the action was captured on surveillance cameras in the area.

When the T-town DA was asked about charging Miller as an accomplice, they said that you have to have intent to commit a crime before you can charge someone. He has no evidence that Miller had any intent or knowledge of why Miles wanted his gun, so what can he be charged with? Innocent until proven guilty, right? Again, a statement from Miller's attorney said Miller wasn't aware of the presence of the gun and never handled it.

As for the University's response, they were unaware the gun was "delivered by Miller" until a hearing the day before the USC game where the investigating officer stated that Miller "gave Miles the gun". They had to scramble a meeting with the president, AD, coach, legal counsel, and a few other peeps and determined what to do, but it was decided that since he wasn't charged and was only considered as a witness that they wouldn't hold him out of the game. Right, wrong, whatever. And Oates came across as a totally uncaring ass at his first press conference about the whole thing, but he wasn't aware of the details out of the hearing that day and the reporter who asked him about it was, so he was blindsided by it and had to issue a clarification after the fact.

Like I said earlier, this is what I have heard bits and pieces of here so it may be old info, it may be incomplete, whatever. I'm not defending anyone's actions or inaction, but I agree it is a bad situation for all involved - a young life was taken away for no reason.

seems like those two statements do not reconcile

Yeah, I know. But remember, an attorney is going to make a statement that puts his client in the best light. And it wouldn’t surprise me if he was trying to emphasize the “never handled the gun” aspect to quiet the prevailing reporting that “Miller brought the gun to Miles” or, as some reported “…handed Miles the gun….”

now oates claiming he did not know that miller was given a "pat down" during player introductions

for every game this year

said he was working on plays and ignored what was going on

(someone needs to get him a bigger shovel )

If Miles and Miller were white, the media would never stop saying the woman's name that was killed. Her picture would be on every liberals facebook page, and a patch with her initials would be on every sports uniform. But it's not really about Black lives

(03-02-2023 10:39 AM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  If Miles and Miller were white, the media would never stop saying the woman's name that was killed. Her picture would be on every liberals facebook page, and a patch with her initials would be on every sports uniform. But it's not really about Black lives

^THIS^