(11-17-2014 11:50 AM)HometownTiger Wrote: To me it's not all about the resume. Sure, that plays a part ... but it's more about a coach's personality and his teams' identities. There are a few coaches I think would do really, REALLY well with all that memphis has to offer, they've just been in bad situations therefore their resume's don't show it.
3 things i'd want from the next coach (if there is one anytime soon)
1. Can he keep local talent home
2. Can he relate to local talent
3. Does he have a specific style of play & does that work with local talent
It's not all about the resume. IMO.
Not bad but I don't presume a "next coach" over the next couple of years unless JP looses big. I also don't care much about whether its local talent or how the coach can relate to it & I don't care if the coach really has a specific style.
What I do care about is having good players (local or otherwise) that come to play, have talent, a hard-nosed attitude, can be coached up & win against tough competition. That means a coach relates. I want a coach to adapt his style to the talent & abilities of the players he has, to get the most out of them. Unfortunately whether you share my opinion or the one expressed by HT, JP is currently falling short.
(11-17-2014 10:35 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote: ...If he still manages to put up 70%+ win percentages and get his team to the dance, he really can't be fired regardless of who specifically he loses to this season and by how large of a margin...
If we do more or less what we did the past 2 years (or better) then there's not really even an argument. That would probably be Josh's best coaching year since he took over. No one's going to really argue about firing Josh over a season where we get in but are a semi-borderline tournament team either, but I'm sure some will complain. If we miss the tournament and it's a NIT type year, a lot of folks won't be happy, but everyone will know the score. The Lawson's come in next year and that will be the put up or shut up year.
Now if it's an 18 or 19 win borderline NIT season, I think that might be where the real argument starts, even if that might be just enough for Josh to keep his job. And I'm probably going to avoid the message board until football season starts. Any less than that and:
I really don't want to go through a coaching search to replace a guy as well liked as Pastner. That could get reaaaaaallly ugly.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2014 12:11 PM by Briskbas.)
(11-17-2014 10:29 AM)UofMstateU Wrote: The only reason I don't really critique him at all on this board is because of the hypersensitivity of the haters, the manipulation of the numbers, and the revisionists' history. When all of that is being regurgitated non stop, who really cares if he failed to make a timely substitution. It would just get washed out.
fact of the matter is that he can either be crowned or condemned depending on the numbers you pick. If someone wants to do either, they can also try to use completely subjective things like "he runs a clean program" or "he can't substitute for sh*t" as well, and you can't argue against it.
This season, moreso than last season, will begin to polarize him. If he still manages to put up 70%+ win percentages and get his team to the dance, he really can't be fired regardless of who specifically he loses to this season and by how large of a margin. If he misses the dance, or worse, has a losing season, the scales tip further in favor of making a change. I'm not sure he would survive a losing season.
But time will tell.
If he makes the tourney this year I think he solidifies his hold on the job.
Maybe it is just me but I just don't like the way Pastner teams play...They seem to lack toughness...I like a little DOG in my teams...A little arrogance...A little swagger...Something that creates fear on the other bench.
But hey I don't like Roy's UNC teams either for the same reason.
Roy's got himself a dadgum title though. Every coach has their own style, I don't care what Pastner's is as long as he wins, frankly.
(11-16-2014 11:15 PM)Joe1 Wrote: Really you know him? The guy isn't senile, he was friends with Larry Finch and Ronnie Robinson and the man has Grizz season tickets too. It's odd that you can call a good man that has been going to the games since the Mid South C. senile and you do it all the way from Canada. Wow.
Good for him; give him a cookie. If he thinks Tiger basketball is terrible, he is obviously forgetting many many Tiger seasons before Pastner took over. Case in point; Finch's last two seasons. Do you remember them?
Honestly,
How was Finch's second to last season much worst than any of Josh's seasons outside of expectations people had for that team.
22-8 and 3-3 vs top 25 teams.
As stated before on here.......Josh can't be compared to Larry Finch. On Larry's worse day he was better than Josh, no comparison.
Really...So their performances cannot be compared...
Larry was canned 1 year removed from a season that was very similar to Josh's last season. So by the logic that many are using saying "did you see Finch's last two seasons", should Josh be canned if he has an NIT season.
I can't teach reading comprehension to you. Larry was in poor health. You can ignore that another 20 times in a row if you want. It just makes you look more dishonest.
(11-16-2014 06:29 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote: Lol these haters are looking for every thing to ***** about
This comment is the reason I donto come ont his board much anymore. if you disagree with anythign or have an opinion other than complete sunshine pumping, you are a hater.....I am dumber for ever checking back in over here.
(11-16-2014 06:29 PM)Ramen_Tiger Wrote: Lol these haters are looking for every thing to ***** about
This comment is the reason I donto come ont his board much anymore. if you disagree with anythign or have an opinion other than complete sunshine pumping, you are a hater.....I am dumber for ever checking back in over here.
don't mind him man he doesn't know what he is talking about. Post 167 is a prime example of the type you have to ignore. That clown wouldn't know a basketball if it hit him in his face.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2014 01:09 PM by Joe1.)
(11-16-2014 11:25 PM)Stammers Wrote: Good for him; give him a cookie. If he thinks Tiger basketball is terrible, he is obviously forgetting many many Tiger seasons before Pastner took over. Case in point; Finch's last two seasons. Do you remember them?
Honestly,
How was Finch's second to last season much worst than any of Josh's seasons outside of expectations people had for that team.
22-8 and 3-3 vs top 25 teams.
As stated before on here.......Josh can't be compared to Larry Finch. On Larry's worse day he was better than Josh, no comparison.
Really...So their performances cannot be compared...
Larry was canned 1 year removed from a season that was very similar to Josh's last season. So by the logic that many are using saying "did you see Finch's last two seasons", should Josh be canned if he has an NIT season.
I can't teach reading comprehension to you. Larry was in poor health. You can ignore that another 20 times in a row if you want. It just makes you look more dishonest.
See this is where you go off the rails...
Yes YOU stated that I disagree with that being the reason why he was canned...Quote me 1 article from the time detailing the report of Larry's poor health anywhere around the time of his firing. If it was so widespread there should be at least 1 source of information right...
No I said that he didn't get fired because of his health...I have typed that many times...Does that mean you cannot read.
Check your ego at the door unless you have facts not speculation...
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2014 01:35 PM by macgar32.)
How was Finch's second to last season much worst than any of Josh's seasons outside of expectations people had for that team.
22-8 and 3-3 vs top 25 teams.
As stated before on here.......Josh can't be compared to Larry Finch. On Larry's worse day he was better than Josh, no comparison.
Really...So their performances cannot be compared...
Larry was canned 1 year removed from a season that was very similar to Josh's last season. So by the logic that many are using saying "did you see Finch's last two seasons", should Josh be canned if he has an NIT season.
I can't teach reading comprehension to you. Larry was in poor health. You can ignore that another 20 times in a row if you want. It just makes you look more dishonest.
See this is where you go off the rails...
Yes YOU stated that I disagree with that being the reason why he was canned...Quote me 1 article from the time detailing the report of Larry's poor health anywhere around the time of his firing. If it was so widespread there should be at least 1 source of information right...
No I said that he didn't get fired because of his health...I have typed that many times...Does that mean you cannot read.
Check your ego at the door unless you have facts not speculation...
He did get fired because of his health, because of the team's poor performance that season, and because anyone could see that he didn't have the recruits coming in to turn it around. He didn't get fired because the fans fired him because of poor attendance. Tic Price didn't get fired because of poor attendance, and Cal didn't get fired because of poor attendance.
Facts and not speculation? What a joke. You need to take a Gravol.
(This post was last modified: 11-17-2014 01:45 PM by Stammers.)
(11-16-2014 06:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: I have him with wins over:
#5 OK State, #7 Louisville, #12 Louisville, #18 SMU, #23 Gonzaga, #25 St Mary's....6-21 vs ranked teams.
Pastner gets this season and next guaranteed, IMHO.
You are right about the SMU win. I missed that one. Some debate the St. Mary's game because they were ranked in one poll and not in the other. But I'll give you those two games. Doesn't change the context of the debate.
Many teams and coaches have deplorable records versus top 25 teams in a true away setting. Break those out by away games, neutral, and home and I'm betting it looks quite normal.
Kevin Ollie is 9-7 in two seasons against ranked opponents. That does not count their tournament run last year.
Josh Pastner is 6-21 in five seasons against ranked opponents.
(11-16-2014 06:29 PM)UofMemphis Wrote: I have him with wins over:
#5 OK State, #7 Louisville, #12 Louisville, #18 SMU, #23 Gonzaga, #25 St Mary's....6-21 vs ranked teams.
Pastner gets this season and next guaranteed, IMHO.
You are right about the SMU win. I missed that one. Some debate the St. Mary's game because they were ranked in one poll and not in the other. But I'll give you those two games. Doesn't change the context of the debate.
Many teams and coaches have deplorable records versus top 25 teams in a true away setting. Break those out by away games, neutral, and home and I'm betting it looks quite normal.
Kevin Ollie is 9-7 in two seasons against ranked opponents. That does not count their tournament run last year.
Josh Pastner is 6-21 in five seasons against ranked opponents.
You figure it out.
Figure what out? Because Ollie has had a pretty good run that we should fire Pastner?
In the words of Antonio Anderson to Pierre Niles on Twitter: "He stinks, P, he stinks!"
(11-16-2014 07:04 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: Many teams and coaches have deplorable records versus top 25 teams in a true away setting. Break those out by away games, neutral, and home and I'm betting it looks quite normal.
Kevin Ollie is 9-7 in two seasons against ranked opponents. That does not count their tournament run last year.
Josh Pastner is 6-21 in five seasons against ranked opponents.
You figure it out.
Figure what out? Because Ollie has had a pretty good run that we should fire Pastner?
In the words of Antonio Anderson to Pierre Niles on Twitter: "He stinks, P, he stinks!"
So fire Pastner because he's not as good as Ollie?
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don't mind him man he doesn't know what he is talking about. Post 167 is a prime example of the type you have to ignore. That clown wouldn't know a basketball if it hit him in his face.
