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tigerstev1178 Wrote:wahoowa Wrote:MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:You guys already know the answer. Homosexuality is a sin. Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination."
Leviticus 20:13 "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them." Now, to put this in context...All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. There are many abominations unto God, and the sin of Sodom was not limited to homosexuality. Jesus came to seek and save lost sinners. This redemption of lost sinners is described I Corintians 6:9-11. "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." Jesus desires that none should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (2Peter3:9) The question is not, are you a sinner, we all have sinned, but have you been washed, sanctified in the atoning blood of the Lamb? Leviticus 17:11, Colossians 1:14, Hebrews 9:14, Revelation 7:14 Have you been born again? Born of the incorruptible Spirit of the Word of God? If you died tonight, do you know where your soul would spend eternity?
Thanks pawr. I knew that you'd come through for me with the verse from Leviticus.
There is so much in Leviticus that's relevant to these days when the Godless hoards
are running amok.
So, thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned
a great deal from you, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to
defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some more advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific
laws and how to follow them. Please help me with the following questions.
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours.
They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -Lev.24:10-16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do
with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
Thanks in advance for clarifying these questions!
I am sorry that many Christians have been so unloving towards the Gay community. It is definitely wrong to be so mean-spirited. But having said that, when you start picking apart Gods Word w/ so little understanding of how the Christian is to handle the old testament and you write that much about it, you deserve a response. The Bible does speak clearly about homosexuality and what the Bible says must be accepted. Moreover, the Bible is a precious thing that must be handled accurately and responsibly. This is not always easy seeing that you have various cultural contexts as well as the Greek and Hebrew language.
An abomination is something that God detests. It is a strong word to use. The first 5 books of the OT (called the Pentateuch) reveal God's heart and it is all His word. There is a Moral law (just a theological term for Gods Heart) revealed in the Mosaic law. The Moral nature behind it will never change b/c God doesn't change. It will always be wrong to sleep w/ an animal, cursing towards parents, etc. Are we to forget about the principles at work here b/c the literal rendering is not relevant? The specific details of a particular verse, (like when you start talking about putting people to death)especially in Leviticus, are usually the Mosaic Law, hence abrogated in Christ (see Col. 2:16-23), but the idea that God hates the action is still present. The book is the law of the land in the context we are dealing w/. This was a Theocratic govt run by the word of God. We dont have that today. We must submit to the laws of this land and remember that was intended as the lawbook for that land. Now, w/ Christ coming, we view this book as revealing Gods heart, but the details have been abrogated. As far as eating Shrimp and Shellfish, in Acts 10: 9-16, Peter is told to rise, kill and eat and call no food unclean that God has cleansed. When it comes to eating, we have our conscience and the freedom in Christ to eat what we see fit. The Mosaic Law being abrogated in Christ is a very big interpretive point in scholarly scriptural interpretation. There are two ditches: Totally forget what God says in Leviticus and call it irrelevant or do the commands of Leviticus in detail. Both are wrong. In short, in our day, Mosaic Law=abrogated in Christ BUT Moral Aspect of that Mosaic Law=His attitude regarding all the various topics covered. The answers to all your questions above are answered w/ Christ Abrogating the Mosaic Law, yet still holding the Law as VERY valuable and still Gods inerrant word b/c it reveals His attitude on all these matters. Food would be an exception as he has cleansed that for the Gentile and left that matter to the conscience.
Other scriptures
----I Cor 6:9-11 (these believers in christ USED to be ungodly...such WERE some of you, but now they've been cleansed...saved. Homosexuality is listed in the long list of sins they used to commit)
---I Tim 1:9-10 (sodomites...gr word referring specifically to male homosexuals)
---Jude verse 7
---Galatians 5:19-21 (if homosexuality is fornication like these other verses imply, then this is another passage that should invoke fear before God)
I always detest the name calling and sarcasm that goes on in these exchanges. I am more about truth and making sure GOD is represented rightly. I cannot help but be angered when I see someone misquoting scripture. I will be glad to exchange thoughts on this issue. I hope that you are interested in searching God's Word for the truth. The truth sets us free to live a life in Gods will....I can attest it's a very peaceful and abundant life.
Thank you for the single lucid response to the questions. I've been out of town, and will reply with my thoughts after I get through the 280 emails. Seriously, thanks for not being a knee jerk cut and paste responder.
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